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 Who Won The Cheney-Edwards Debate?


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By Drog (Canada), Section United States of America
Posted on Wed Oct 06, 2004 at 11:35:39 AM PST

U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney squared off against his opponent John Edwards last night. The first vice presidential debate was held in 1976 between Republican vice presidential candidate Bob Dole and Democrat Walter Mondale. When Dole was asked whether his criticism of President Gerald Ford (2 years earlier) for pardoning Richard Nixon was still valid now that he was his running mate, he responded in exasperation, saying that it was not "a very good issue any more than the war in Vietnam would be or World War II or World War I or the war in Korea, all Democratic wars, all in this century. I figured out if we added up the killed and wounded in the Democrat wars in this century, it would be about 1.6 million Americans, enough to fill the city of Detroit." Democrats were appalled, but not nearly as much as Ford strategists. No VP debate was held in 1980 because nobody wanted to risk everything on their running mate.

Still, VP debates held since then have had little impact on the election results. Last night's debate probably won't either. The immediate spin afterwards seemed to indicate that there was no clear winner. Cheney exuded an air of calm competence, and attacked both Kerry's and Edwards records. He did make several mistakes, however, which news websites such as CBS News today are quick to point out. The most glaring blooper was when he was trying to make the point that Edwards was an absentee senator, saying "The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight." In actuality, Cheney met Edwards on three separate occassions. Another mistake was when Cheney directed viewers to factcheck.com, an anti-Bush site, rather than factcheck.org.

Edwards didn't really make any major blunders, but he did stretch the truth at times, such as when he continued to assert that the Iraq war had cost the U.S. $200 billion, when that's how much the war is estimated to cost by the end of next year--the estimate to date is indeed $120 billion.

The end result is that since neither candidate was clearly defeated in this debate, it will not likely have any huge impact on the polls. The Kerry-Edwards camp certainly hopes that by having had another opportunity to deliver their key criticisms against the Bush "administration" and highlight the key points of their plans to improve things at home and abroad, this debate could only help them sway the critical undecided voters.

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Interesting Points though (none / 0) (#1)
by cione (USA) on Wed Oct 06, 2004 at 01:27:20 PM PST

VP debates are seen as not needed and don't have much weight to the people. This is interesting in the fact that Cheney brought up the point of a VP taking over. Edwards seemed stunned at this idea like at that moment he realized something. Not that learning is bad but a heck of a time not to have a good poker face. Reminded me of Dan Quayle and I remember thinking that there is no way this guy has the experiance or the personality to run this country. I remember thinking that "W" was too young also.  

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I didn't notice that, actually. (none / 0) (#2)
by Drog (Canada) on Wed Oct 06, 2004 at 09:18:31 PM PST

I DO remember, however, John Edwards getting all flustered and looking rather silly when he kept forgetting that he wasn't allowed to use John Kerry's name in answering a particular question ("Oh I'm sorry, did I forget the rule?" and "Oh I'm sorry, I forgot the rule again, didn't I?") and when he was unexpectedly and mistakenly given an extra 30 seconds to speak.

John Stewart's Daily Show had excellent coverage of the debate tonight, by the way. Pretty funny.

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Wait a second... (none / 0) (#3)
by misfit13b (USA) on Thu Oct 07, 2004 at 08:00:47 AM PST

Edwards wasn't allowed to refer to Kerry by name?

Man, I hate modern politics.

Haven't seen the Daily's take on it yet.  Baseball playoffs make me thankful for the TiVo tho.

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Two things (none / 0) (#4)
by cione (USA) on Thu Oct 07, 2004 at 08:16:55 AM PST

The elections should not be held during baseball playoffs. It just seems so un-american.

There was one question in which the VP and Edwards were not allowed to use their running mates names to justify why they should be in office. Edwards blew it. 5 seconds later he saying "Kerry". By this time in the debate Edwards was holding his own but it took all he had and it really did show.

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Agreed. (none / 0) (#5)
by misfit13b (USA) on Thu Oct 07, 2004 at 08:37:52 AM PST

It's such a distraction.  (The election, I mean.)  ;^)

Oh, ok.  As long as the rule was just for one question, and that at least one person broke it.  That makes me feel a bit better.

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It depends (none / 0) (#6)
by mstefan (USA) on Thu Oct 07, 2004 at 12:25:24 PM PST

To some extent, it really depends on the criteria used. Overall, I'd say that Cheney did better on international issues, and Edwards did better with the domestic issues raised.

Where Cheney loses more points than Edwards, in my book, is that (a) many of the zingers that he leveled in the debate turned out to be bullshit after analyzing them; (b) he comes across as an unabashed asshole.

This is not to say that Edwards didn't spread his own brand of bullshit, but it wasn't nearly as ridiculous as Cheney's "I've never met him before" line or the way that he tried to wiggle the Iraqi trainees into the coalition casualty count.



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