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By manu (India), Section Asia
Posted on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 08:35:02 PM PST

The voyage of Caste politics has been rough, erratic and inconclusive. Official figures show that Brahmins, who make up just 5 percent of the population, still hold 70 percent of senior government jobs and 78 percent of all judicial positions. With strong parties like BSP, SP and RJD we are still living in age old Varna Vyavastha. Politics indeed is a game of emotions played by dangerous minds.

Segmentation of society has always been a perennial tool for acquiring power- both Political and Economical. The Vedic India had the quadruple division known as varna, the division was on the basis of colour to create units in society where the political and administrative powers could be vested on the white hued (svitnya)- the Aryans and the lowest stratum was subjugated to the dark skinned dasyus or shudra (the primitive who were trounced by Aryans). Hymns of Rig Veda don't speak of austere precincts on basis of Varna, but the caste system reached a definitive stage in the Mauryan Empire. We seek enough evidences in Greek writings. Kautilya Arthashastra cites caste system and errands of each category of the system. As the civilization grew the need for political and social segmentation strengthened the verses of Manava Dharamshastra (Institutes of Manu)

The evolution of this segmentation took volte-face after 2500 years of its inception. The last century has been momentous in re-writing the science of political dominance through caste, the Indian struggle for independence witnessed the confluence of all the four varnas into the social mainstream in order to show populist aspirations and will for independence. The foundation of the integration was laid by the social movements started by Jotiba Phule, the founder of the Satyashodhak Samaj and Sri Narayan Guru. Mahatma Gandhi was instrumental in bringing this segment of society to the political arena Bapu's decision was both political as well as social, political because a quarter of population with critical mass was indeed necessary to support any populist movement. This strategy also gave Indian National Congress a new look, a party representing elite with gaol of independence became a popular party representing India. The new age Chanakya did it very seamlessly and gave India close to 50 million people to the Political market place. British also premeditated the risk of this mass, and tried to bolden the eroding line through communal award in 1932 by granting the separate electorate. Gandhiji and Congress opposed it vehemently and thwarted British plan to abate the Struggle. Columbia educated Dr. BR Ambedkar was another prominent dalit leader, Independent Labour party formed by him in 1936 won only few seats in Bombay legislative assembly. He later concentrated on Schedule caste and formed a political party 'Scheduled Castes Federation' in April 1942 but never got a political mandate of mass leadership. He became Law Minister in the first cabinet after Independence, but he resigned from the ministry. Ambedkar was never germane in politics of those times as he is today. Another dalit leader from Bihar Jagjivan Ram formed Khetmajoor sabha, Babu jagjivan Ram was the dalit face of politically strong Bihar. Congress dalit ballot box was fortified by Kheetmajoor sabha merger.

Later years of 60s saw emergence of backward politics in Northern belts, Indian states of UP, Bihar, Haryana and MP; it saw prominent leaders coming from this segment of society. The land reforms facilitated the landless with land and also guaranteed its protection. This empowered the peasants' primarily backward class and Dalits through economic improvement. Northern belt saw the emergence of backward leaders and political groups. During the 1970s, Dalit Panther Movement of Maharashtra gave coinage to the term Dalit, thus giving a unifying symbol. The Janata Dal led by Mulayam Singh Yadav in UP and Laloo Prasad Yadav in Bihar led to the materialization of a dominant backward caste politics in the late 1980s. Later Janata Dal got divided and Mulayam Singh Yadav and Laloo Prasad Yadav floated their own parties - Samajvadi Party (SP) and Rashtriya Janata Dal (RJD) respectively. Both the parties are led by the dominant land-owning shudra castes. Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) emerged as a `Dalit' Party, started in 1984, and within a period of twenty years, it has transformed into the fourth largest political party in India.

But today politics is taking a 360 degree turn, where parties like BSP primarily for Dalit are changing their political posture. In 1996 LS elections 17% of the tickets were allotted to upper caste. Samajwadi party gave 21% and 25% of its tickets in 1996 and 1998 general elections to upper caste. On the other hand brahmanical parties like BJP has increased their quota to backward and dalits. Dalit votes to BJP have gone up from 10% to 18% (1996-98).

The voyage of Caste politics has been rough, erratic and inconclusive. Official figures show that Brahmins, who make up just 5 percent of the population, still hold 70 percent of senior government jobs and 78 percent of all judicial positions. With strong parties like BSP, SP and RJD we are still living in age old Varna Vyavastha. Politics indeed is a game of emotions played by dangerous minds.

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Politics of caste -a historical perspective! (none / 0) (#1)
by dogbert (Canada) on Fri Jan 06, 2006 at 09:43:31 AM PST

India is the democratic, socialist and secular country: the slogan of Indian politicians. According to it, there is also existance of  separation between religion and state. Practicing untouchability or discriminating a person based on his caste is legally forbidden. Along with this law the government allows positive discrimination of the depressed classes of India.

The Indians have also become more flexible in their caste system customs. In general the urban people in India are less strict about the caste system comparable to the rural.

Sometimes in villages or in the cities there are violent clashes which, are connected to caste tensions. Sometimes the high castes strike the lower castes who dare to uplift their status. Sometimes the lower caste get back on the higher castes.

As far as my information is concerned, In modern India the term caste is used for Jat and also for Varna. The term, caste was used by the British who ruled India until 1947. The British who wanted to rule India efficiently made lists of Indian communities. They used two terms to describe Indian communities. Castes and Tribes. The term caste was used for Jats and also for Varnas. Tribes were those communities who lived deep in jungles, forests and mountains far away from the main population and also communities who were hard to be defined as castes for example communities who made a living from stealing or robbery.

The castes, which were the elite of the Indian society, were classified as high castes. The other communities were classified as lower castes or lower classes. The lower classes were listed in three categories.

In modern India new tensions were created because of these positive discrimination policies. The high caste communities feel discriminated by the government policy to reserve positions for the Backward Classes. In many cases a large number of high caste members compete for a few places reserved for them. While the Backward Classes members do not have to compete at all because of the large number of reserved places for them compared to the candidates. Sometimes in order to fill the quota, candidates from the lower classes are accepted even though they are not suitable. Sometimes some reserved positions remain unmanned because there were few candidates from the lower classes causing more tension between the castes. Between the lower castes there are also tensions over reservation.

The caste identity has become a subject of political, social and legal interpretation. Communities who get listed as entitled for positive discrimination do not get out of this list even if their social and political conditions get better. In many cases the legal system is involved to decide if a certain person is entitled for positive discrimination.

so (none / 0) (#25)
by mymemy (Afghanistan) on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 06:04:55 PM PST

reservations for castes (none / 0) (#2)
by rajiv (India) on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 01:17:47 PM PST

now a days caste system is not so strong in society but people who try to settel this problem had created problems.some leaders make reservations for castes for bringing them up but now a days they are as equal as uper caste. but one thing differ them from other which is reservation system in all the field. if i have a friend who is sebc, st or sc i cannot recognise him as sebc, sc or st but we easily make differences when it comes to admissions in college or trials for competitive exam. don't you all think that now it is time to finish this reservation system for lower class and minorities. it broaden the valley between people

caste and india (none / 0) (#3)
by manuk (India) on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:20:02 AM PST

this is my first post on this forum. As my learned friends have given scope for a very wide discussion, i would like to answer it one by one. firstly i would like to state my stand on this topic. i strongly feel caste politics in india should be promoted to the extent that it is not detrimental to the overall growth of the society.
As my lerned friend Dogbert has pointed out, india is a socialist democratic and secular state. but am sorry to say that this has no relation with the topic of dicussion, what needs to be addressed here is the equality(social) that we have ensured to ourselves in our preamble. if am not wrong secularism is related to religion and not caste. caste system which you are trying to address here is sects inside the framework of a religion(Hindu religion in particular)
secondly tribes are not those who make their living on stolen goods. they are socially backward people. Ex we have a sect called kurubas which means shephards who are scheduled tribes/ tribes. they by no stretch of imagination are so called thieves.
yes, urban population is slowly drifting away from the so called caste discrimination(negatively). but this system still remains very strong amongst the rural population. these sects are not jats but JATIS.
In recent times it is not the Brahmins who are ruling others but the opressed and dipressed classes of society are ruling at the grassroots levels. it is only at the high level that the brahmin nojority is ruling. shudras, the varna which forms the lowest in the hierarchy of varna system has produced prime ministers and chief ministers like Devegowda etc. this varna is very active in the present political scenario.
I strongly oppose the stand of mr dogbert when he states that the backward sects of society need not compete at all. respected sir, as far as i know they do compete for positions. actually the competitin is very stiff, and only the deserving candidates get through, and not any tom, dick and harry who competes will get through. only relaxation for them is with respect to the eligibility criterion. This is a positive discrimination from the side of the state in order to uplift that class of people who have been subject to severe atrocities for centuries because of the rigid caste system that prevailed in india.
the reservation policy that we have is just five and a half decade old, and i strongly feel it is not possible to uplift all backward classes in a span of 55 and odd years considering the varieties of diversities we have at each level of society,and also the population strength. obviously there is a very high growth rate recorded with respect to upliftment which is very well evident in the society.
I feel really sorry for the level of knowledge that Mr rajiv has on this topic. when he says that he cant call a  Sc/St  as Sc/St. Sir you cant call them sc/st coz it might amount to negative discrimination, may be your intention is straight but in a caste rigid society like that of india, this is a kind of protection given to these castes to the extent that non one does negative discrimination.
i strongly contend that reservation should still be promoted. the reason being that the society still owes a debt to these backward classes by virtue of having been exploiting them for centuries with out any fault of theirs. afterall this policy is just five dacades old as compared to centuries of exploitatin. people should have patience. it is wrong to contend that backward classes are very well placed in the society,may be a few of them are very well placed but still a substantial majority  remains underground.
i would like to conclude that caste politics should be promoted to the extent that it is not detrimental to the growth of society based on equalitarian principles. india is a diverse society and representation from all these varnas or sect should be ensured so as to curb the monopoly of elite class, and to ensure social equality along with popular grassroot participation in the democratic process.
thank you


reply (none / 0) (#4)
by rajiv (India) on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:28:20 AM PST

i dont think that uplift of backward class people should be affect other people.
reservation in india is not about backward class but it is for some of the caste. many people have enough economical level, good social life even then their child who are bad in studies get admisssion in mbbs and at otherside person from socalled forward class whose father is having low income doesnt get admission because of that man who is from so-called or described backward class.

this is in all the field of life. and if you are talking about social status. i dont know about place you are living but in gujarat there is no difference between upward class and backward class. some people hate backward class(sc,st, sebc) just because of reservation system. otherewise they dont have any personal feeling.

and i know about law that if i called any backward class sc, st or so.. i can be held. i havent write word "call" i write recognise.

so think about system of reservation making harm to the society well. and then reply me.

i m waiting for your reply

exclusively reservation (none / 0) (#5)
by manuk (India) on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 03:30:19 AM PST

i dont understand what kind a problems you are facing that you are so much against reservation system. as you already mentioned you are from a urban society. i will suggest you to do a small exercise. read a book called " the untouchable" by Mulkraj anand. you will know what kind of atrocities these specific section of people faced for centuries.
one point of time, these people had to carry spitoons around their neck, coz even if thier saliva touches the soil, it was regarded to pollute the soil. some times they had to tie brooms behind their backs so that thier foot steps would be erased on the ground. This being the case, you think about the reservation policy now. if you dont know, till independence, the only the substantial majority of educated population were only brahmins( the upper varna). education was a right for brahmins, and only for the other upper varnas.
recently, ie after independence in 1947 their is a gradual shift in this idea. it is only after five and  a half decades that we are witnessing that the people from lower varnas are realising teir rights. still for some rural populace, education is a luxury of the rich.
so the state has provided this reservation scheme for uplifting these socio-economically dispossed sections of society in order to have a uniform platform for all. As the substantial majority has still not able to realise their right, the state has provided for this reservation policy.
being a member of a urban society and knowing people from lower class who are economically well placed, .... i dont blame you for having such views. even i know the societal scenario of gujrat. i dont think in any part of india this kinda state exists where people from lower caste are people from higher caste dont have any difference at all. please recheck your analysis.
in the light of all these arguments i would like to restate that reservation is justified in india. only reservation i have is with regard to the lack of political will on the part of politicians in the implimentation of these policies, which is not strange to any part of the world. still i feel a bit of attention towards implementation will go a long way.

it is past (none / 0) (#6)
by rajiv (India) on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 04:13:49 AM PST

what you are talking about is past. people were behaving to backward class in those days but after call of gandhiji it was being vanished. i m not saying that backward class should not get reservation. but i m saying that people, who is having some last name or their ancestors was doing that work, should not be counted in that category who get facilities of reservation.

by reservation you are discouraging people not to work hard not study well because they can get job or admission without hard working or try. government study well about people and then give facilities of reservation.

i have been to deeper part of the gujarat for visiting i have stayed in saurastra, kutch, southgujarat and charotar i have not seen a single incident of the caste system you are talking about. i have also visited karnataka, maharashtra and i haven't seen there also. so i think there should be revolution in part you are living. there is need of reservation in that part.

and can i know whre are you from.

thanks for replying
i m having fun in this discussion and with that i m serious enough also. so don't get angry with the word "fun".

waiting for reply

reply (none / 0) (#7)
by manuk (India) on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 03:31:34 AM PST

all i have to say is history cantbe read in isolation with present,it will lose its value. i want to ask you one thing straight..how often is it that you come across intercaste marriages. atleast i dont find it often and am sure no where in india you can find it in abundance. seee... this is why i say caste system is still existent in india. i have seen a brahmin family not acepting his son's marriage with a girl who is  a shudra,merely because she is from a lower caste. am  sure it is there in every part of india. if you dont find this scenario in india,am sure either you are not in india,or you are not aware of what is gonin on around. this is a very small ex of what is the status of caste system n india.there are more severe wways in which they are exploited.
moreover i have laid stress on one point again and again, that reservation is the need of the hour. people should raise above all these internal problems and face the world in the age of globalisation.
i still cant digest the irresponsble statements you made, saying gandhiji eliminated the difference between backward classes. why the hell do you think the legislature is passing bill after bill for ensuring the rights of the backward classes. you think they are mad. These are all social problems which needs analysis,...just visiting places wont serve any purpose.
please check your facts before making such statements on an international forum. please dont make irresponsible statements.
moreover lets diuss something related to the present topic rather than reservation in india. the topic was case politics in india,if you have forgotten.
if you want to discuss on reservation in india please post your research on the forum and i will assure you,that you will have a  more productive discussion, coz you would have researched on the topic by then.  
i stay in raipur( chattisgadh) presently. i stayed in bangalore for the past 19 years,its my home town.shifted to raipur 7months back. am presently doin LL.B at a national law university.

sorry to reply (none / 0) (#8)
by rajiv (India) on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 10:29:22 AM PST

i don't know you will believe in me or not but my two neighbour are married in othercaste.
uncle who is brahmin had married to the adivasi kanya and i came to know that after 10 years after i  came to live here where i m living. nobody in appartment see them with odd sight.
my neighbour who is living opposite to me had married to parmar. and she is patel. these are true and they are living around me.
now you will point that they would have love marriage. then i will say it is obvious that people want their son or daughter to have wife or husbond from the caste they know about them. i think not having arranged marriage for intercaste is an issue of upward-backward clss problem.

i m not saying that i had visited all that place so i know that place but i m saying that this problem is not so big that you are chillaying on that. i m 21 nd studying architecture and staying in ahmedabad. and does internation forum means that i should write what is always right. i m writing which i m thinking. forum must give that much freedom.

sorry i forget (none / 0) (#9)
by rajiv (India) on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 10:38:49 AM PST

sorry i forget to mention that who gave "harijan" name to backward class. tell me that. who gave slogan of "asprushyata nivaran".
answer me that.
and i m not against upcoming of poor but i m against the defination of poor, backward class.
i m in fever of reservation but system of reservation should be change.
i m saying that reservation is making social difference more and more because structure of reservation system differ people not society.
i dont know about other part.
ok sorry to discuss something else in your thread.

more reservation (none / 0) (#10)
by rajiv (India) on Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 12:53:56 AM PST

do you see, manu?
arjun sinh provide more and more reservation in all the field.
including private areas
only 40% seats are for open catagory and they can be occupied by that people for whom reservation is made.
do you think it is legible is it ok.
if you think this is not place to discuss this matter tell me where can i talk about it.
people,who are from "developed class" are in trouble.

Indian politics of caste-misunderstood? (none / 0) (#11)
by jamesroy (India) on Fri May 05, 2006 at 09:47:32 AM PST

Caste based reservation is understood as preferential treatment for jobs etc. This is not quite right. That jobs are being made available easily to the lower caste people is only an effect of reservation. Real reservation is  that this system reserves competition to the highest caste. Naturally benefits of competition also will go only to that caste. It can easily be seen that, reservation started in earlier 'yuga', KARNA being the first lower caste individual who was  permitted to take part in competition on 'royal' interference, and as a gesture of gratitude, he joined the other side in 'kurukshetra' war, leaving his kith and kin.
time went by, as we cannot prevent a person lower in caste from competing, we are making sure that he does not compete, by giving him what he could have achieved by competition.

There is another reason for this system to be accepted so widely irrespective of political colors. This can be seen as a panic reaction to the call by mahatma gandhi for greater social intercourse, ie upper caste people willingly entering into conjugal alliances with lower caste people resulting in upliftment of the latter. The indian upper caste, cutting across political leaning, chose reservation 'as a lesser evil'.

indian politics of caste (none / 0) (#12)
by jamesroy (India) on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:15:38 AM PST

This also needs mentioning. All kinds of reservations(based on caste , wealth or something else) amounts to removal of competition, which is essential for ones growth. Therefore, the intellectual disparity between those who enjoy the privileges of reservation and those who do not will widen generation after generation, making it impossible to live as equal beings after many(the 'many' may be only 'a few') generations.

clear your stand (none / 0) (#13)
by rajiv (India) on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 02:39:43 AM PST

are you in favour of reservation or not?
do you think it is necessary or not.
make your stand clear.
you are watching that so many student including who are under reservation opposing reservation
i dont know what about "manu"
but i think he saw what indian students wants
some people want to gain votes and they are increasing reservation and calling it uplift of backwards.
whom do you call backward.
that is the main question?
and students want to re-define that defination


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