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War & Terror

By catastrophile (USA), Section Afghanistan
Posted on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 07:22:31 AM PST

Cross-posted throughout the known Scoop-o-sphere.

Via Americablog, Cunning Realist catches an article on SFGate on NFL star Pat Tillman, and his family's continuing effort to find the truth about his death in Afghanistan last year.

Things I didn't know: Tillman signed up expecting to serve in Afghanistan, but was first diverted to the Iraq invasion, to which he was vehemently opposed. He was openly critical of the administration and read Noam Chomsky. And he was shot three times in the forehead.

The heart of it is excerpted after the break. Below that is the next article I read, which knocked me right off my feet.

Interviews also show a side of Pat Tillman not widely known -- a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought and died in service to his country yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, where he served a tour of duty. He was an avid reader whose interests ranged from history books on World War II and Winston Churchill to works of leftist Noam Chomsky, a favorite author.
Pat Tillman, according to testimony, climbed a hill with another soldier and an Afghan militiaman, intending to attack the enemy. He offered to remove his 28-pound body armor so he could move more quickly, but was ordered not to. Meanwhile, the lead vehicle in the platoon's second group arrived near Tillman's position about 65 meters away and mistook the group as enemy. The Afghan stood and fired above the second group at the suspected enemy on the opposite ridge. Although the driver of the second group's lead vehicle, according to his testimony, recognized Tillman's group as "friendlies" and tried to signal others in his vehicle not to shoot, they directed fire toward the Afghan and began shooting wildly, without first identifying their target, and also shot at a village on the ridgeline.

The Afghan was killed. According to testimony, Tillman, who along with others on the hill waved his arms and yelled "cease fire," set off a smoke grenade to identify his group as fellow soldiers. There was a momentary lull in the firing, and he and the soldier next to him, thinking themselves safe, relaxed, stood up and started talking. But the shooting resumed. Tillman was hit in the wrist with shrapnel and in his body armor with numerous bullets.

The soldier next to him testified: "I could hear the pain in his voice as he called out, 'Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat f---ing Tillman, dammit.' He said this over and over until he stopped," having been hit by three bullets in the forehead, killing him.

Another disputed detail was whether the soldiers were firing while speeding down the canyon or whether they stopped, got out and continued shooting. In testimony in the third investigation, the soldiers said they did not stop. However, the medical examiner's report said Tillman was killed by three bullets closely spaced in his forehead -- a pattern that would have been unlikely if the shooter were moving fast.
As I was blogging Pat Tillman article, today's LewRockwell.com libertarian newsletter landed in my Inbox. The lead article was a speech Rockwell gave at an anti-war rally over the weekend, where he was the "token non-lefty," as he put it. Below is why I heart real libertarians. It was made even more poignant by the fact that it was the next thing I read after the Tillman article.
War leaves in its wake orphans, widows, parents without children, sickness, hatred, and spiritual and psychological trauma. It gives power to dictators on all sides. It is based on a lie that mass death can ever accord with justice. It attempts to silence those who tell the truth.

Indeed, war is a kind of totalitarianism. It is a policy without limit. It demands from us all that we have to give: our money, our children, our minds, even our souls. Too often people give it all. Too often, Americans give it all.

George Bush was brazen enough to make the doctrine explicit. If you are not for him, he says, you are for the terrorists.

He said it because the state fears the advocates of peace. It fears the truth, and those who tell the truth. It fears those who dare to judge the state by normal standards of morality.

The state fears you. Why? Because you hold the opinions that you do, and refuse to surrender your mind, your talents, your soul. By joining the resistance, you help thwart their plans. You help establish the basis for peace in the future. You help preserve and develop civilization, for the human family can only thrive in a setting of peace.

So I say to you: Keep making the sacrifice. Believe in peace. Proclaim peace. Stand up to the state. Be a dissident. Tell what is true. And do not fear the emperor-pirates. They, after all, fear you. For you help tilt the balance of history against their barbarism, and in favor of peace and freedom.

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Bush is the terrorist (none / 0) (#1)
by FreedomWarrior (USA) on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 11:18:55 PM PST

Bush is ruining this country and the all world.
Sadly is is not the only one, and he is not the first one.
Many came before him, and we are paying the price of it every day.

Our soldiers are dying in vain, for no real reason.
They are dying for the wrong cause, they are dying for a bunch of lies and secrets the government is hiding from us, hiding the truth we deserve to know, hiding the truth about the real target the people behind the official government are aiming and trying to reach.

Harsh (none / 0) (#2)
by progovac87 (USA) on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 12:05:38 AM PST

This comment will evoke ire among certain groups of people. I would like to know your definition of terrorist before I debate you on this matter.

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ok (none / 0) (#3)
by FreedomWarrior (USA) on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 07:08:54 PM PST

Simply what I mean is that I don't believe anymore in terrorism.
I mean, I believe there are terrorists, but in our case we are talking of terrorism related to September 11, so my eyes have been opened, and what I believe is that Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda Terrorist Network is working for some powerful people behind the government.
I believe Bush is one of those people, him and his father, and I believe that September 11 was planned and orchestrated by someone in the CIA that works with the evil people.

So by saying Bush is the Terrorist, I don't mean it the way everybody around the world mean it, that is basically thinking that Bush and the U.S are the ones that kill civilian people with their wars for oil.
Sure, this is basically true considering the truth, but the way I mean it is that Bush (being the only one of the shadow government that has a public face able to take decisions) agree with the terrorists, because I believe that September 11 and many other terrorists attacks (included the one of Oklahoma city) have been planned, masterminded and paid by the U.S. (government, CIA), and what's very sad is that we pay taxes and give them the money they use to damage us, damage our country and damage the world.

So we can say there is no real terrorism, because everything is planned and wanted by our own leaders, that instead of protecting us and making our society and life better they are masterminding our destruction to get richer and richer and take over the control of the whole world.

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terrorism (none / 0) (#4)
by progovac87 (USA) on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 07:50:20 PM PST

My connotation of terrorism is: some action carried out for the explicit purpose of generating fear in the civilian population and hence terrifies them into submission.

I recognize the consequences of this definition.

For example my definition would classify the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as terrorist acts since their focus was to scare Japan into submission.

In the present day many people have twisted the word terrorist into something strictly involving Muslim man killing civilians.

The war on terror as stated is too broad for my liking. I would prefer to call it a war on fanatical Islamists for example but in todays political correct culture any reference of Islam in that context will lead to huge protests.

The war on terror if followed to its most fundamental conclusion would then force us to go to war with the IRA and even ourselves in some instances.

Going back to the point that Bush is a terrorist because he intentionally kills civilians for oil does not meet the criteria in my definition of a terrorist.

Even if you are correct about Bush's motives, his motives still would be out of greed and not to cause fear in the Islamic states; this is however my definition yours could be completely different.

I would like to hear yours; you simply back peddled in your last response to try to mitigate some of the claims in your first post. I was not offended; just try to describe your train of thought a little bit more concisely.  

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terrorism (none / 0) (#5)
by FreedomWarrior (USA) on Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 09:37:36 PM PST

You know, your statement is basically right.

My point is: Bush (or the government) are the ones that are paying Al Qaeda to make their attacks, being in the U.S., in England, in Bali, etc.
Sptember 11 has been commissiond by the CIA, so we can say the government is involved.
Who is Bin Laden ? What is Al Qaeda ? They are nothing else but a scapegoat, because they are paid by the CIA.
Sure, only the leaders know, because all those fanatics islamists are kept in the dark by their leadership as well as we are by our leadership.

You have mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki as an act of terrorism, good, I'm glad you can recognize it, and if you consider that those bombs have been dropped after Japan said it wanted to surrender and make piece, everything is much more serious.

So, I recognize terrorism, but if terrorists are being paid by CIA or by our government to attack our cities and make us live in fear, what are we expected to think and to believe ? Who is at fault ? Islamic terrorism or our own government that pay them and plan the attacks ?
I believe at fault is our government, so by saying Bush is the terrorist I simply mean that being the President and since he is supposed to be the person in charge with the most of power and being above CIA and everybody else, he is the one at fault, even if with this shadow government we don't really know who are the people that really hold the leadership, because I believe Bush is only a puppet in their hands, but he is a puppet that agree with them and with what they are doing and plan to do.

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